John Piper is Wrong about Hell (but I still thank God for him!)

I thank God for John Piper and the work God has done and continues to do through him.  I have been one of many to benefit from Piper’s books, sermons, and articles. I was blessed with the opportunity to serve the Lord in the world’s largest Muslim nation for fourteen years.  During those years my coworkers and I were often encouraged and strengthened to continue in a very difficult ministry by things Piper wrote or said. And just last night, not knowing that I would be writing this article this morning, I used an article of Piper as part of a Bible study at the church where I serve. And if I had known that I would be writing this article this morning, I still would not have hesitated to use Piper’s article last night.

                      

Having said all that, I believe that Piper is simply wrong about the nature of hell and the fate of the unrighteous. A good, godly man who God uses mightily can occasionally be just plain wrong.  An excerpt from a message he gave on the topic of Hell was just posted this morning at the Desiring God website.  I won’t be quoting every word of Piper’s article, so I encourage you to read it for yourself, it’s not long.

Why I’m Convinced that John Piper’s Message is Wrong

Here I’ll go point by point through the transcript of the excerpt from Piper’s message. Piper is defending a view which is often called Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT).  I believe in a view called Conditional Immortality or Annihilationism. As an evangelical conditionalist, I’m convinced that the Bible teaches that the unrighteous will be raised to face judgment, experience a finite amount of conscious suffering, and then perish (John 3:16), be destroyed in body and soul (Matthew 10:28), and burned to ashes (2 Peter 2:6).

1.  Piper Quotes Mark 9:43-48 as Support for ECT

“And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'”  (Mark 9:43-48 ESV)

When Jesus spoke these words he included quotes from the last verse of Isaiah:

ESV Isaiah 66:24 "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Notice that the fire that is not quenched and worms that do not die are NOT being used to torture living people.  They are being used to consume “dead bodies” after judgment.  That makes a lot of sense because all over the world and all throughout history the vast majority of dead bodies have been disposed of either by worms turning them into dust or fire turning them into ashes.  So the words Jesus speaks in Mark 9 actually support Annihilationism, not Eternal Conscious Torment.

2.  Piper Quotes Mark 3:29 as Support for ECT

ESV Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"

Annihilationists and traditionalists both agree that there is sin that will never be forgiven.  Piper is probably using this verse to refute Universalism.  I agree that this verse refutes Universalism.  It says nothing one way or the other about whether those not forgiven will be tormented forever or be permanently destroyed in both body and soul (Matthew 10:28) forever.

3.  Piper Quotes Matthew 25:41 and 46 as Support for ECT

ESV Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matt. 25:41 ESV)

ESV Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Piper is correct in insisting that eternal punishment will last as long as eternal life.  Again, this is a strong argument against Universalism.  However, it is not a strong argument against Annihilationism.  Annihilationism is a form of eternal punishment.  Once people are completely destroyed, they will never, for all eternity, return to life and enjoy the pleasures of knowing God and being with Him.

Many people wrongly think that “eternal punishment” must refer to a process of punishing which continues forever.  That is simply not true.  Consider the use of the same word “eternal” in Hebrews:

ESV Hebrews 6:1-2 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

“Eternal judgment” does not refer to a process of judging which goes on forever.  It refers to a judgment with eternal, permanent consequences.  In the same way “eternal punishment” does not refer to a process of punishing which goes on forever.  It refers to a punishment with eternal, permanent consequences.

As far as the phrase “eternal fire” goes, it should be noted that the fire being eternal does not mean that what is cast into it must remain alive and conscious.  God’s glory is presented in terms of intense, glowing, burning, fiery light throughout the Bible.  “Eternal fire” may refer to this manifestation of His glory.  This fire of God will be glorious to behold when we are made perfect.  But the same fire destroys all who are impure.  Notice that the same phrase, “eternal fire” is used in Jude 1:7 to refer to God’s destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Yet fire is not currently burning there.  Peter Grice provided this excellent explanation: 

“Fire from heaven—the consuming fire of God—may be considered eternal at its source, without this meaning that any manifestation or emanation of it must continue to burn forever.” (From Annihilation in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (Part 1))

4.  Piper Quotes 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 as Support for ECT

^ESV 2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels ⁸ in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. ⁹ They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

It has always seemed strange to me that proponents of eternal conscious torment have thought that the phrase “eternal destruction” supports their view.  “Destruction” does not mean “torment” in English, nor do the Greek words translated “destruction/destroy” mean “torment”.

For excellent, detailed discussions of this passage, see the article by Peter Grice quoted from above, together with part 2 of the article, and this one by Reese Watt.

5.  Piper Quotes from Revelation to Support ECT

The only book of the Bible which actually mentions eternal torment is the book of Revelation.  This is a book full of visions which use a lot of symbolism.  Piper fails to note that John gives us the interpretation of the lake of fire:

ESV Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

The lake of fire is a symbol for dying a second time.  John tells us so.  There is a LOT of evidence which supports the view that the lake of fire and the “second death” refer to the annihilation of the unrighteous, not their eternal torment.  I have written a series of blog posts on this specific topic which begin here.

What Piper Leaves Out

In the excerpt provided by Desiring God, Piper does not address the many Bible passages which give strong support to annihilationism.  Here are just a few:

Psalm 37.  In this Psalm, David says the wicked will wither and die away like grass (Psalm 37:2), be destroyed (Psalm 37:9), “be no more” (Psalm 37:10) so that even if you go looking for them you cannot find them, will perish (Psalm 37:20), will go up in smoke like grass consumed in a fire (Psalm 37:20), will be “completely destroyed” (Psalm 37:28), will pass away and be no more (Psalm 37:36), and will have no future (Psalm 37:38).  That sure sounds like annihilation!

ESV Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

ESV John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

ESV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

ESV 2 Peter 2:6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;

How Piper Helped Me Become an Annihilationist

After receiving a call from the Lord to go overseas and share His Good News among unreached people groups, I read Piper’s excellent book, Let the Nations Be Glad. I highly recommend the book, despite a section where Piper defends Eternal Conscious Torment.  Ironically, it was while reading this section of Piper’s book that I began to think that annihilationism might be correct.  Piper kindly includes some comments from John Stott in footnote #15 on page 120.  God has blessed John Piper with a brilliant mind and a gift to passionately and rationally explain God’s truth.  Yet, as I read this section, Piper’s arguments supporting ECT felt so weak and did not seem to have Biblical support.  Stott’s short comments in the footnote made sense to me.  I began to think that annihilationism might be true.  It was quite a few year later, however, until I studied this topic in more depth and become convinced of annihilationism and began to teach it.  I hope some of you reading this will likewise be motivated to study this topic in more depth.  I certainly don’t expect this one short post to convince you. 

Resources for More Study

I’ve provided some links in the text above.  In general, the Rethinking Hell website has a lot of excellent resources on the nature of Hell. In my opinion, this website is the single best source of information on Conditional Immortality/Annihilationism.  You will find a massive amount of resources there.

I preached a two part sermon introducing the topic of annihilationism.  The sermons are on YouTube here and here.

On my own blog, in addition to the links provided above, I recently wrote this relevant post:

Downburned and Ashified, The Annihilation of the Unrighteous.

May God continue to bless the ministry of John Piper.  This issue (ECT vs. Annihilationism) should never divide Christians. We agree that a terrible fate awaits the unrighteous and that seeing them saved from this fate is one of the motivations we have to take risks and make sacrifices to share God’s Good News and spread His love in Jesus’ Name all over the world.

Hebrews 13:16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others . . .